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Jetzt fand ich noch einen Budenbesitzer, Soufiane (Sofiane)

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-38370364

Sofiane, 29, said he was “supposed to be one of the victims” as his stall was originally meant to be on the side that got hit. Its position was changed “at the last minute”.

Verstehe ich das richtig, wenn er sagt, dass sein Stand in letzer Minute verschoben wurde??
(30.04.2017, 14:12)fhh schrieb: [ -> ]Jetzt fand ich noch einen Budenbesitzer, Soufiane (Sofiane)

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-38370364

Sofiane, 29, said he was “supposed to be one of the victims” as his stall was originally meant to be on the side that got hit. Its position was changed “at the last minute”.

Verstehe ich das richtig, wenn er sagt, dass sein Stand in letzer Minute verschoben wurde??

Im Video sagt er, gemäß seinem Vertrag hätte seine Bude ursprünglich an einer anderen Stelle stehen sollen.
Ahhh, das Video hatte ich noch nicht gesehen! Im Text jedenfalls: Bude war ursprünglich an anderer Stelle, wurde in letzter Minute verschoben.
Das erinnerte mich sofort an ein Video von Klugschieterin, wo sie beim Vergleich der vorher-nachher-Luftbilder sagt: "...hier muss ein Umbau stattgefunden haben"
(30.04.2017, 14:45)fhh schrieb: [ -> ]Das erinnerte mich sofort an ein Video von Klugschieterin, wo sie beim Vergleich der vorher-nachher-Luftbilder sagt: "...hier muss ein Umbau stattgefunden haben"

Was wir aber schon als falsche Annahme ihrerseits herausgearbeitet hatten.
Auf einer italienischen Seite (Vanitiyfair.it), außerdem in schwedischen und kanadischen Medien berichtet noch ein Zeuge namens Emanuel Zadig Onnasch. Im Internet ist einiges zu finden, Unternehmensberater, früher Mitarbeiter bei TV-Sendern usw.
Hier z.B. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/emanuel-sag-l...om-farande
Und auch dieser "Augenzeuge" taugt nicht einen Pfifferling:
"Emanuel Zadig Onnasch bor och jobbar i Tyskland, under måndagskvällen var han och en vän på väg mot julmarknaden vid Breitscheidplatz i Berlin när de plötsligt såg något i horisonten."

Zadig sieht also den unbeleuchteten LKW am Horizont aufdämmern. Warum schreibt er nicht gleich von den Fjorden der Straßenschluchten, Thors Donnerschlag und der Walhall der Opfer...
Nix Konkretes also, pure Phantasie aus dem verqueren Hirn eines Qualitätsmedien-Schreiberlings.
Es mag jemand interessieren, was Emanuel Zadig Onnasch der kanadischen CBC erzählt habe. Hier ist der gesamte Interview:

ZADIG ONNASCH: So I just arrived and I scheduled to meet a friend close to the bikini house or actually just at the entrance. And we went there and weren't really sure what to do and he suggested we'll go to the Christmas Market. And he was about to turn right when we crossed the street, on the same street on which the truck then ended. And I was not really sure about that side, I don't know why, so we turned slightly more to the left side. And that is when we sort of, I mean, we looked at each other so the focus wasn't on the horizon but I could see that something was approaching from far behind, it was a black vehicle without any light. Suddenly, you could hear the bursting of the wood from the installments on the Christmas Market, all the decorations, you heard people screaming. The truck went into the Christmas Market and then turned sort of slightly out on the street again and stopped there. And yeah, I mean, people were panicked, were running for their lives because no one really knew what had happened, is it an accident? Is it a terror attack? And yeah, we were quite shocked to see everything that happened.
AMT: What were you thinking then, as you saw this start to happen? What was going through your mind?
ZADIG ONNASCH: [sighs] Yeah, that's a difficult question. I mean, first of all, it's like this is not happening right now, this is a movie, this is not real. And the second thing is like why am I here at the moment? And it's just very shocking and overwhelming because frankly I mean, there has been reports in the media about that this could happen. About a month ago, some authorities warned people on Christmas Markets. But since I've been on a couple of Christmas Markets in Berlin, I'd expect this thing to happen elsewhere and I don't know why I didn't expect anything to happen here. But that's the point of terror, it usually hits you when you least expect it.
AMT: So how close did it actually get to you?
ZADIG ONNASCH: Well, I mean, if we would have turned to the right side as my friend suggested, we would have literally gone straight into the line where the sort of truck hit the people. So luckily we didn't turn right. I was close enough to see things I wished I would not never see.
AMT: Mm. How busy was the Christmas Market at the time?
ZADIG ONNASCH: I thought when we crossed the street that it wasn't because it was Monday evening, so I didn't thought it was as busy because I'd been there on the weekend and then it's really crowded and busy. Nevertheless, it is one of the busiest Christmas Markets in Europe and it's really really crowded and it's very narrow, everything is very close. So if there are a lot of people inside the Christmas Market, you'd sort of have to fight yourself through the installments. So that's why also so many people died.
AMT: They wouldn't have seen it coming. They would be busy going in between the little stalls and not realizing it was even there until it was on top of them then huh?
ZADIG ONNASCH: Exactly. I mean, just to sort of give you a reference, if you imagine Nathan Phillips Square in Toronto, for example. Yeah, not as big as a size as Nathan Phillips Square. And those installments would face the square itself, so the back of the installments face the street. So you wouldn't necessarily see everything that's going on the street because the installments, yeah, sort of keep your sight away from that and you have your focus somewhere else because I mean, people are enjoying their lives, they are buying stuff, they're drinking mulled wine, you know, meeting friends, colleagues, socializing. And yeah, you don't see the street, you don't know what's going on behind, except for this huge truck. So, but it's unexpected. And then also you have the church, which is in the middle. So if you'd be on the other side of the Christmas Market, you’d just hear the noise and you will not necessarily know what's going on.
AMT: The church that of course was bombed and only there's part of it that remains from the Second World War. It stands as a monument to peace, doesn't it?
ZADIG ONNASCH: Exactly. It does. It’s the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church.
AMT: Yeah. As this whole thing unfolded, and I'm guessing it was pretty rapid, I'm just wondering the kinds of things you saw. What sticks with you now?
ZADIG ONNASCH: Well, it's things that I wish I'd never seen, you know. I mean, it's not a pleasant sight when a truck plows into a group of people and what happens then. And I mean, I was lucky enough to face direction so I wasn't seeing everything but the track sort of stopped on the road, so eventually I got to see much more things. And yeah, I just hope I'll be able to forget that.
AMT: How nervous are you today about being out on the streets of Berlin?
ZADIG ONNASCH: As far as I've understood from the news coverage in Germany, they've closed most of the Christmas Markets and all of the Christmas markets in Berlin are closed at the moment. It's hard to say. I mean, I need to do shopping today, so I will still go out of the house. And, you know, if something is happening, then it will happen. Nevertheless, I refuse to allow myself to be threatened to such a degree so I will have my life impacted in a way that I wouldn't be able to carry on with the good things, you know.
AMT: Zadig Onnasch, thank you for speaking with me today.
ZADIG ONNASCH: Thank you very much.

Quelle: Laura Fraser, Toronto witness says he worries suspected terror attack in Berlin will create a climate of fear, CBC, 19.12.2016
Also wieder die Geschichte vom Horizont.
Und dann drängt es ihn zur Konkretion:
"I was close enough to see things I wished I would not never see."
Dann auch noch ein wenig Geschichte aus dem Stadtführer - schlicht: er könnte alles vom heimatlichen Schreibtisch aus erzählen. Und unterm Strich nehme ich an, dass es wohl so auch gewesen ist.
Wenn man unter Suchbegriffen in dänisch, schwedisch u.a. Sprachen sucht (z.B. Ögonvittne Breitscheidplatz usw.), findet man wieder weitere Augenzeugen - kaum zu glauben, wieviele junge Leute hier zugegen waren.....

Dänemark:

Morten Wigotski
http://nyheder.tv2.dk/udland/2016-12-19-...-loeb-loeb
http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/danske-morten-s...levede-han

Norwegen:
Charlotte Tuengen, Julie Östgen und weitere
https://www.nrk.no/urix/norske-charlotte...1.13283911

Charlotte Tuengen ist jedoch ansonsten nirgends zu finden, daher ist der Name evtl. geändert. Vielleicht ist es ja 'Lauren' aus dem kleinen Video, die war ja auch mit ihrer Mutter auf dem Markt....

Spanien: Lora, Rosa und Paloma
Niederlande: Tom Vandaele, Jinte de Clercq
Irland: Neri und Davis Trott (independent.ie),
UK/Brighton: Richard Clarkson, Chloe Smith (nicht sicher, woher)
Polen/Berlin: Katarzyna Goebel

Die ist nur eine kleine Auswahl, je mehr man sucht, desto mehr tauchen auf.
Die Berichte sind sich recht ähnlich: man war in der Nähe, zwischen 20 und 100 Meter entfernt, hörte einen Knall, sah verletzte Menschen, einige sahen aber auch keine. Einige waren vor Ort zum Essen, mussten das Restaurant dann aber schnell verlassen, da alles geschlossen wurde. Viele hatten auch keine Ahnung, was vor sich ging.

Wenn ich noch wichtige Details finde, stelle ich sie noch rein. Dies war erstmal ein Überblick.
Zur Ergänzung der Bericht von/über Paloma

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2916650/...a-testigo/
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